Devstream 87 Overview

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You can find the blog upload of this overview here: https://warframe.com/news/devstream-87-overview

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Devstream 87 Overview

There were some new faces on the couch today (and a somewhat familiar one in the bushes) for Devstream 87! Tom and Dave from the AI & Enemy Design team joined Rebecca and Steve to discuss upcoming changes to enemies, both big and small.

This stream had a lot to do with discussion and gameplay, so I recommend watching the stream to get the full effect. If you just want the details without having to use your eyes AND ears at the same time, keep reading on for the TL;DW version below.

 

Housekeeping: 

• The Gift of the Lotus 24 Hour Alert is live on all platforms! 
• TennoCon 2017 is happening on July 8 in London, Ontario, Canada! 
• The Second Stream Podcast will be recorded after this Devstream, where community members will discuss and share their opinions on all that was revealed during this livestream. Want to hear their thoughts on Devstream 86? Listen here.
• Facebook connect is no longer needed to participate in our Twitch Chat
• Round 7 TennoGen will be coming to ALL platforms soon… at the same time!
• Baro’s arrival time has changed. The Void Trader will now appear in the Relays at 9am ET on Friday, until 9am ET on Sunday. Expect this change in his next visit.
• Say her name – the Bard Warframe is currently being named by the Design Council!
• The Prime Gaming Giveaway is now closed. With over a quarter of a million entrants, we are currently drawing names of winners, who will be contacted next week by email!
• On Feb 17, our Warframe Fan Channels will be hosting a 72 hour charity stream! Stay tuned for more details.

 

Bard Gameplay

Let’s get this out of the way:
How. Awesome. Is. This?!?

There are no details on what her abilities actually do, but they sure do look cool. 

 

Nef Anyo

The model above was made many moons ago for Nef Anyo, but not much has come of it. The original plan included a huge platform that he moved around on, featuring a tricky magnetic field that players had to find out a way to turn off.

With Kela de Thaym’s rework, as well as our two cinematic quests, our neon-bearded friend got pushed to the side. There are other bosses mentioned during this stream who are currently being worked on, but that does not mean he is forgotten. One day, the Tenno will face him in battle. In the meantime, let’s take a look at what menacing foes are awaiting you in the more definitive future.

 

Sentient Faction

If you have ever ventured to Lua, you might have seen a Sentient pick up one of its brethren’s blown off arms and use them, with different abilities depending on the type of enemy. We want to expand the powers and weapons used by the existing Sentient forces as we further develop this faction.

Part of this development includes a new enemy: the Sentient Carrier. While not an active combatant, this foe’s role will be to pick up the spark dropped by killed Sentients and use that to create a new one. If you want to avoid a Battalyst army, be sure to take out this guy first.

Above is an idea of what this new Sentient would look like. Please know that this is a very early prototype and we are still working on its exact implementation – like all other Sentients, we want to make its abilities and behaviour different from the other Factions you see, while ensuring it supports and complements what the Occulyst and Battalyst are capable of on the battlefield. 

Timestamp for the full discussion: link.

 

New Defector Rescue Mission

With colonies revealed during The Glast Gambit update, we are looking into new ways to incorporate peaceful NPCs into our missions. As a result, a new gamemode is coming soon to PC: Defector Rescue!

Grineer defectors have answered a distress call in space, only to be overcome with an extremely aggressive Infestation. When the Tenno arrive, they learn that the defectors have sealed themselves inside safe areas of the ship; as soon as they leave, they slowly die from Infestation. 

Scattered throughout the ship are healing stations that the defectors can use, but only if the Tenno keep them powered up. Protect the defectors from attack and keep these stations powered to give them a chance at reaching extraction alive.

This new mission type will appear randomly in your Navigation as an Event. These defectors won’t always be around, but when they are, be sure to lend a hand as this new mode will involve Leaderboards! It’s not just about saving people, it’s also about bragging rights.

As an endless-type mission, players will be able to customize the difficulty of their quest by unlocking segments of the ship. More segments means more defectors being rescued at once, but it also means there are more of them to protect! Don’t let too many die or you might be shamefully forced to extract. 

Potential features of this new mode will also include more damage being dealt to the defectors over time, growing poor visibility due to Infested clouds, the appearance of minibosses, and more. 

A WIP look at this new gamemode is below – but beware, Tenno. Rebecca was (accidentally) channeling her love for RE7 during this section, so this timestamp might be 2spooky4u: link.

 

Kingpins

The Syndicate Assassination system was mentioned before The War Within was released back in 2016 as a part of our larger goal to Make Clans Great Again. Last Devstream, we discussed the Kingpin idea more in-depth, but here’s a closer look at what this could hold for clanmates everywhere (and only clan mates, as this screen is accessible only in your Dojo):

The plan is to generate an Enemy Cell from a random faction with a procedurally generated Kingpin– the size of this organization will scale with the size of the Clan. To take these guys down, you will need to work with your clan mates to uncover their inner structure and take them out piece by piece.

Unique Faction units will be tied to these cells, and each Boss will have their own unique invulnerabilities, weaknesses, abilities, defenses and more. Warlords will be able to modify some of the missions to tailor the takedown of the Kingpin to the Clan’s strengths.

But watch out – the Stalker isn’t the only one who can hold a grudge. Every time you uncover info or act against them, they’ll retaliate. Squads will be sent after clan members, your Dojo will be attacked, etc. 

We’ll reveal more details as this system is fully fleshed out, but you can hear all that Steve has to say about it here: link.

 

Eximus units were implemented to be a mini boss – if you are a low-level player who hasn’t mastered the art of min-maxing, this goal is still mostly true. But these enemies are turned into mob fodder at higher levels, and our team is looking at how to add challenge back into their mechanics. 

A proposed, work in progress change is to have a certain percentage of these foes spawn with weak points. They might be invulnerable (or in hindsight highly resistant to) to damage (but still susceptible to Warframe abilities – like Titania’s 1) until these points are destroyed. These kinds of units will only appear with high-level content (no number has been released) and will scale with the enemies’ difficulty. 

As the section title implies, this new mechanic would be limited to the Infested Faction. As we move forward with this concept, the balance between risk and reward will be at the front of our minds. 

Timestamp for the full discussion: link.
 

Ambulas Rework

The Ambulas is getting a new look – and a boss battle! This new model and mechanics is an evolution of the Bursa; it has thick armour plating that players need to destroy in pieces to be able to damage it.

There are no confirmed details on its attacks, but the boss fight will be similar to the Raptor’s. Players won’t be focused on defeating a singular boss, but rather a group of Ambulas with a larger objective.

Part of this objective will be preventing the Ambulas from being picked up by the new Corpus Drop Ships (pictured above) and distributed throughout the Origin System.  These new ships will also be implemented in open-air/world maps as a new spawning mechanic – enemies will be dropped from the sky instead of spawning in unseen hallways and corners.

 

Mini Hyenas

Like the Infested Crawler, we wanted to create a Corpus unit that forces players to aim towards the ground once in a while. Much like the Drahk and Hyekka Masters, these Mini Hyenas will be spawned by a Fabricator that is thrown down by Summoners. The bonus here is that you can destroy the Fabricator to prevent them from spawning!

A full look at this new feature (including placeholder mini Hyenas – so cute!) is available at this timestamp: link.

 

Trials
(aka “a great source of bugs” – [DE]Steve, 2017)

There are no plans for adding any new Trials to the existing 3, but our team is always working to remove exploits and bugs from the existing missions. If you don’t know what the trials are, they are 8-man missions that require teamwork and coordination to complete puzzles (and, once you’ve done them enough, to see how fast you can speed run through them).

If we were to add more of these missions in the future, adding Operator mechanics to the challenges is something we want to look into.

 

Boss Fights Design

Throughout the stream, the team talked about Boss Fights and our approach towards them in Warframe. From a design standpoint, they are the reward for the player, a spectacle even, in comparison to the regular mob grinding gameplay. 

When planning a boss fight, we focus on a few things: escalation, narrative, and how they fit into the environment. A huge challenge to overcome is ensuring that they last more than 5 seconds against players and their 17-Forma’d Tonkors. As a result, Invulnerability phases were introduced, but we’re always looking for creative ways to add challenge without removing your ability to damage them outright.

One approach we use is having the boss fight involve more than one enemy – like the Raptor, for instance. Another way was showcased during The War Within with the Operator gameplay. The changes to your Focus powers introduced in that quest helped you interact with foes in new ways while adding a new uncomfortable feeling: the feeling of being vulnerable.

I won’t add any more details to avoid spoiling the experience for anyone, but know that this timestamp includes spoilers: link.

 

Other Small Takeaways

• The Limbo rework is still in progress, but we have nothing to show.
• Sentient Whirlwinds, Nullifiers, and the proposed Eximus Weak Points all hope to accomplish the game goal: to get players to stop the Mob Grinder for one moment and rethink their strategy on the battlefield. 
• Stealth units (outside of the Manics, who only attack when the Alarm level is high enough) might be coming in the future. Cloaking, wall-running foes might be terrorizing you in missions – now you’ll know what your enemies feel like!
• Some NPCs will copy the parkour moves you do in missions, especially in Rathuum and Rescue missions. Keep a close eye out and you might just see Clem wall running!
• Enemies should be returning to unalerted states after you have stopped terrorizing them (and no alarms are going off). If that doesn’t seem to be happening in missions, please submit a bug report to us and we’ll look into it!
• Looking into changing the energy economy of the new Operator Gameplay. Stay tuned.

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Our resident webgod is out today, which is why this was uploaded to the forums. Feel free to leave questions in the comments and I'll do my best to answer them! Expect a web upload next week and have an amazing weekend, Tenno!

 [DE]Taylor

Edited February 6, 2017 by [DE]Taylor
added web link

Sweet.

nvm

so tennogen 7 is on all next interesting ..still missing 2-6 but ill take it ;D 

Edited February 3, 2017 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako

1 minute ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:

nice but were was the tennogen stuff they discussed o. o? 

It's in the housekeeping section! 

Just now, [DE]Taylor said:

It's in the housekeeping section! 

noticed at the last minute xD 

I'll be happy to see the upcoming changes to Operator-only mode. :3

Interesting, thanks for the overview.

Are you no longer putting overviews in the blog section of the Warframe homepage?

1 minute ago, NovusNova said:

Interesting, thanks for the overview.

Are you no longer putting overviews in the blog section of the Warframe homepage?

We are, today is a one-off:

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Our resident webgod is out today, which is why this was uploaded to the forums. Feel free to leave questions in the comments and I'll do my best to answer them! Expect a web upload next week and have an amazing weekend, Tenno!

[DE]Taylor

I am so hyped for that bard frame. Can't wait to get my hands on this amazing piece of work from the dev team :D

Just now, [DE]Taylor said:

We are, today is a one-off:

Ah okay, missed that bit at the end.

Thanks Taylor.

Thanks @[DE]Taylor as always! C:

Can't wait for some new Tennogen-bling~

Edited February 3, 2017 by HalfDarkShadow

3 minutes ago, NovusNova said:

Ah okay, missed that bit at the end.

Thanks Taylor.

It's like 2 thousand words long (light weekend reading, amirite?) so don't sweat it. I skimmed it too.

Exactly how long should it take for a unit to go back to unalerted with no alarms going off? 

Very interesting devstream !

few concerns though:

- kingpin clan stuff looks awesome, but how will it scale with clan size ?

- on eximus weak points : they kind of mentioned that it is intended to make players focus on that particular unit... but what about syndicates death platoon with 20 eximus ancient healer spawning at once ? :-/

- is there an epilepsy warning on bardframe abilities ? (it looks great, but still...)

So now that consoles get tennogen at the same time is there any possibility for a change for PC players? I know DE doesn't want PC players to be able to purchase tennogen with platinum but maybe allow PC players to trade tennogen items.

7 minutes ago, RoninJed said:

So now that consoles get tennogen at the same time is there any possibility for a change for PC players? I know DE doesn't want PC players to be able to purchase tennogen with platinum but maybe allow PC players to trade tennogen items.

TennoGen items on PC are tied to your Steam account (i.e. no trading in-game) and we can't sell them for Platinum on PC due to our agreement with Steam. Not a "don't want to", a "can't". 

Edited February 3, 2017 by [DE]Taylor
edited for clarity

So will consoles get all old already accepted tennogen items?

5 minutes ago, CroqueMortTime said:

- kingpin clan stuff looks awesome, but how will it scale with clan size ?

- on eximus weak points : they kind of mentioned that it is intended to make players focus on that particular unit... but what about syndicates death platoon with 20 eximus ancient healer spawning at once ? :-/

1 - No concrete details yet, sorry! 

2 - There is a % chance of enemies spawning with the weak points. I don't know if that would apply to Syndicate squads depending on the logic of the code. Definitely something to keep in mind during development, though! Either way, because of the % chance, they wouldn't all have a weak point if they able to spawn with them.

3 minutes ago, [DE]Taylor said:

TennoGen items on PC are tied to your Steam account (i.e. no trading in-game) and we can't sell them for Platinum on PC due to our agreement with Steam. Not a "want", a "can't". 

Hmm that's too bad...first time I've heard that Steam won't allow us to trade for them too. Oh well I guess I will never own any tennogen then.

2 minutes ago, [DE]Taylor said:

1 - No concrete details yet, sorry! 

2 - There is a % chance of enemies spawning with the weak points. I don't know if that would apply to Syndicate squads depending on the logic of the code. Definitely something to keep in mind during development, though! Either way, because of the % chance, they wouldn't all have a weak point if they able to spawn with them.

What about Eximus Stronghold missions in Sorties? They'd be literally impossible unless AOE weapons like the Ignis can break the weakpoints, and even then, you'd still only have a slim chance.

I said it in Bunny's overview, so now I'll say it here with a little more clarity since I've had time to sit and come up with a valid argument to what seems like a poorly thought out idea and hope it gets seen.

Eximus Unit "weak points". If the stream was anything to go by, this idea was met relatively poorly by a majority of the viewers, and I was one of the viewers voicing my concerns. The way I see it, I question DE's definition of a weak point since that doesn't normally mean "shoot this part so you can damage the whole". I know this is till the "experimental phase" of developing this feature, but if it's added as is after being given such a negative response, the forums will ignite similar to the Hema resource cost. Not only did Rebecca having trouble shooting a single point with a shotgun on a fast moving, constantly twitching and rolling mob seem like an oversight, the number of points that spawned on the Eximus' back was a major issue I saw due to how quickly enemies can turn around, leading me to believe a lot of players are going to rely on CC 'Frames or constant knock-downs to take them out, making these "challenging" enemies nothing more than a complete nuisance, especially in large numbers, which is another thing I fear none of you have taken into consideration a la Eximus Stronghold Sorties and Infested Survival/Defense missions (since the Infested seem to have the highest Eximus to regular enemy ratio).

If I may make a suggestion, I'd recommend you actually make these act like their name suggests: weak points. As an example, Dark Souls 3 has a boss named Highlord Wolnir who, in my opinion, is an excellent example of how this feature should work. As a boss, he understandably has a large health pool, but when attacked directly, he takes minimal damage, but he has three actual weak points in the form of golden bracelets, two on his left arm, one on his right. After hitting a bracelet a few times, it shatters and takes out a large amount of his health. Repeat the process for each bracelet, and he's dead; no "Oh, he has a sliver of health left and needs a few more hits" a la The Four Kings of Dark Souls, just straight up dead since his bracelets are set to kill him once they're all shattered.

In short, make these "weak points" into actual weak points! Shoot the Eximus itself? It still takes damage, but reduced. Break one weak point? Big chuck of health down. Break 'em all? Dead Eximus. That way, instead of feeling forced to hit the weak points just so you can unload who knows how many shots into the enemy, players are properly rewarded with a quick kill for taking the time to choose their shots carefully.

Wow ty DE Taylor! o/

Edited February 4, 2017 by Lucifer-666

I sure can't wait for that visual and audio pollution-- I mean bard frame-- to be released.

3 minutes ago, KaizergidorahXi said:

What about Eximus Stronghold missions in Sorties? They'd be literally impossible unless AOE weapons like the Ignis can break the weakpoints, and even then, you'd still only have a slim chance.

That's a very good point. I'm making notes; I'll let Reb know about these concerns (including the Syndicate one and others) next week as we continue to develop this system. 

There's a reason why we announce these things early on. :) 

9 minutes ago, Fukushu said:

I said it in Bunny's overview, so now I'll say it here with a little more clarity since I've had time to sit and come up with a valid argument to what seems like a poorly thought out idea and hope it gets seen.

Eximus Unit "weak points". If the stream was anything to go by, this idea was met relatively poorly by a majority of the viewers, and I was one of the viewers voicing my concerns. The way I see it, I question DE's definition of a weak point since that doesn't normally mean "shoot this part so you can damage the whole". I know this is till the "experimental phase" of developing this feature, but if it's added as is after being given such a negative response, the forums will ignite similar to the Hema resource cost. Not only did Rebecca having trouble shooting a single point with a shotgun on a fast moving, constantly twitching and rolling mob seem like an oversight, the number of points that spawned on the Eximus' back was a major issue I saw due to how quickly enemies can turn around, leading me to believe a lot of players are going to rely on CC 'Frames or constant knock-downs to take them out, making these "challenging" enemies nothing more than a complete nuisance, especially in large numbers, which is another thing I fear none of you have taken into consideration a la Eximus Stronghold Sorties and Infested Survival/Defense missions (since the Infested seem to have the highest Eximus to regular enemy ratio).

If I may make a suggestion, I'd recommend you actually make these act like their name suggests: weak points. As an example, Dark Souls 3 has a boss named Highlord Wolnir who, in my opinion, is an excellent example of how this feature should work. As a boss, he understandably has a large health pool, but when attacked directly, he takes minimal damage, but he has three actual weak points in the form of golden bracelets, two on his left arm, one on his right. After hitting a bracelet a few times, it shatters and takes out a large amount of his health. Repeat the process for each bracelet, and he's dead; no "Oh, he has a sliver of health left and needs a few more hits" a la The Four Kings of Dark Souls, just straight up dead since his bracelets are set to kill him once they're all shattered.

In short, make these "weak points" into actual weak points! Shoot the Eximus itself? It still takes damage, but reduced. Break one weak point? Big chuck of health down. Break 'em all? Dead Eximus. That way, instead of feeling forced to hit the weak points just so you can unload who knows how many shots into the enemy, players are properly rewarded with a quick kill for taking the time to choose their shots carefully.

Thats a great feedback! I thought the same myself.